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NE IA Drifter  
#1 Posted : Friday, November 10, 2017 9:32:52 PM(UTC)
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I thought a few would find this interesting...


https://www.nytimes.com/...l?smid=tw-share&_r=0

It's disappointing to hear that one of the country's last undeveloped place could be run roughshod over previous decisions in favor of oil and gas interests.

Looks like an amazing place to visit.

TheDancingMan  
#2 Posted : Saturday, November 11, 2017 2:28:24 PM(UTC)
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.
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#3 Posted : Saturday, November 11, 2017 7:21:06 PM(UTC)
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.


It's sad. And don't even get me started on that sulfide mining bill that's being pushed through the WI legislature, despite overwhelming public opposition.

Future generations will look back at our time with disgust of our contempt for the environment.


-Bill
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#4 Posted : Sunday, November 12, 2017 1:27:13 AM(UTC)
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.


It's sad. And don't even get me started on that sulfide mining bill that's being pushed through the WI legislature, despite overwhelming public opposition.

Future generations will look back at our time with disgust of our contempt for the environment.


-Bill


That mining bill is all the way through. Only waiting on Gov's John Hancock. What's so sad about it is the original law was passed with insanely strong bipartisan support and signed into law by a Republican Governor. How the times have changed. And then that eliminating the hunting age bill...Seems like we're fixing a problem that did not need fixing. Are most parents responsible and won't let their children hunt until they're ready? Sure. But you know there's idiots out there (mostly white trash) who will give their 4 or 5 year old their own rifle (yes there's no more requirement for only 1 gun) and damn the consequences. I've leaned slightly republican for a long time but this current breed of 'em in Wisconsin is out of their freaking minds.

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#5 Posted : Sunday, November 12, 2017 10:19:05 PM(UTC)
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.


Maybe your party should’ve put up a stronger, less flawed candidate as well... One without several major scandles in the past 10-12 years? Fact is, there were plenty of Obama Voters who went with Trump, your candidate wasn’t nearly as strong as her predecessor, and it’s tough for a party to win 3 consecutive elections, it’s been done once since 1948. Also, please stop branding 1/3 of the country as evil. Environmental republicans exist... If you guys want this changed like I do as well, maybe we can work together and not label everyone into their own little boxes. Life isn’t black and white. Thanks and have a good one.

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#6 Posted : Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:40:11 PM(UTC)
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.


Maybe your party should’ve put up a stronger, less flawed candidate as well... One without several major scandles in the past 10-12 years? Fact is, there were plenty of Obama Voters who went with Trump, your candidate wasn’t nearly as strong as her predecessor, and it’s tough for a party to win 3 consecutive elections, it’s been done once since 1948. Also, please stop branding 1/3 of the country as evil. Environmental republicans exist... If you guys want this changed like I do as well, maybe we can work together and not label everyone into their own little boxes. Life isn’t black and white. Thanks and have a good one.


Environmental Republicans did exist at one time. But certainly not today in any numbers to be considered anything but a needle in a haystack. The current breed in Wisconsin is a joke and a betrayal to the party's legacy. I also want this changed, and for that to happen hardline conservatives need to stop labelling anyone who gives a damn about the environment as "Libtards" and "Tree Huggers" for any working together to take place. A sensible and moderate republican to them is just another evil democrat. The Hard Right is a huge problem in WI.
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#7 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 12:50:41 AM(UTC)
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.


Maybe your party should’ve put up a stronger, less flawed candidate as well... One without several major scandles in the past 10-12 years? Fact is, there were plenty of Obama Voters who went with Trump, your candidate wasn’t nearly as strong as her predecessor, and it’s tough for a party to win 3 consecutive elections, it’s been done once since 1948. Also, please stop branding 1/3 of the country as evil. Environmental republicans exist... If you guys want this changed like I do as well, maybe we can work together and not label everyone into their own little boxes. Life isn’t black and white. Thanks and have a good one.


Environmental Republicans did exist at one time. But certainly not today in any numbers to be considered anything but a needle in a haystack. The current breed in Wisconsin is a joke and a betrayal to the party's legacy. I also want this changed, and for that to happen hardline conservatives need to stop labelling anyone who gives a damn about the environment as "Libtards" and "Tree Huggers" for any working together to take place. A sensible and moderate republican to them is just another evil democrat. The Hard Right is a huge problem in WI.

The term “libtard” is generally more related to redistribution of wealth, government programs, etc, but I get what you’re saying. As for the hard right, you’re correct, but some go that way in reaction to the hard left. That goes the other way too, neither side is perfect. And environmental republicans do still exist, they’re essentially just drowned out.
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#8 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 4:01:17 AM(UTC)
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.


Maybe your party should’ve put up a stronger, less flawed candidate as well... One without several major scandles in the past 10-12 years? Fact is, there were plenty of Obama Voters who went with Trump, your candidate wasn’t nearly as strong as her predecessor, and it’s tough for a party to win 3 consecutive elections, it’s been done once since 1948. Also, please stop branding 1/3 of the country as evil. Environmental republicans exist... If you guys want this changed like I do as well, maybe we can work together and not label everyone into their own little boxes. Life isn’t black and white. Thanks and have a good one.


Environmental Republicans did exist at one time. But certainly not today in any numbers to be considered anything but a needle in a haystack. The current breed in Wisconsin is a joke and a betrayal to the party's legacy. I also want this changed, and for that to happen hardline conservatives need to stop labelling anyone who gives a damn about the environment as "Libtards" and "Tree Huggers" for any working together to take place. A sensible and moderate republican to them is just another evil democrat. The Hard Right is a huge problem in WI.

The term “libtard” is generally more related to redistribution of wealth, government programs, etc, but I get what you’re saying. As for the hard right, you’re correct, but some go that way in reaction to the hard left. That goes the other way too, neither side is perfect. And environmental republicans do still exist, they’re essentially just drowned out.


Lately Libtard is generally levied upon anyone who dares to buck the party line in any way whatsoever. As for the hard right being a reaction to the hard left, I agree. But there’s still no excuse for it. I don’t like socialism either, but the right needs to rise above that and not respond with radical nonsense of their own. We're at our best when repubs are slightly right of center and dems are slightly left of center. That breeds pragmatism and shit gets done.

As for environmental Republicans, yes they exist...but mostly in the same way that 2nd amendment-supporting Democrats exist, a fact I have just as big of an issue with. But I won’t go into that here. I’ll just say that I wholeheartedly disagree with the phony and tyrannical gun control hysteria.

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TheDancingMan  
#9 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 11:12:25 PM(UTC)
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.


Maybe your party should’ve put up a stronger, less flawed candidate as well... One without several major scandles in the past 10-12 years? Fact is, there were plenty of Obama Voters who went with Trump, your candidate wasn’t nearly as strong as her predecessor, and it’s tough for a party to win 3 consecutive elections, it’s been done once since 1948. Also, please stop branding 1/3 of the country as evil. Environmental republicans exist... If you guys want this changed like I do as well, maybe we can work together and not label everyone into their own little boxes. Life isn’t black and white. Thanks and have a good one.


Less flawed then Trump? Are you kidding? Yes, I am branding 1/3 of the country as idiots who support authoritarianism and a president who has taken less than a year to prove he doesn't have their interests at heart. I didn't hear any environmental Republicans cry in aghast when Trump left the Paris accords. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.
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#10 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 11:36:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheDancingMan Go to Quoted Post
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Who could possibly be surprised by this? We can thank those "patriotic" Republican voters who sold their souls and integrity last November for this one.


Maybe your party should’ve put up a stronger, less flawed candidate as well... One without several major scandles in the past 10-12 years? Fact is, there were plenty of Obama Voters who went with Trump, your candidate wasn’t nearly as strong as her predecessor, and it’s tough for a party to win 3 consecutive elections, it’s been done once since 1948. Also, please stop branding 1/3 of the country as evil. Environmental republicans exist... If you guys want this changed like I do as well, maybe we can work together and not label everyone into their own little boxes. Life isn’t black and white. Thanks and have a good one.


Less flawed then Trump? Are you kidding? Yes, I am branding 1/3 of the country as idiots who support authoritarianism and a president who has taken less than a year to prove he doesn't have their interests at heart. I didn't hear any environmental Republicans cry in aghast when Trump left the Paris accords. You're not nearly as smart as you think you are.


Only 1 person in the universe could have lost that election to Trump!

And your party ran her!
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