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donjuan  
#21 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2016 10:10:56 PM(UTC)
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NBrevitz wrote:
I have a fly rod. Two actually, and I'm about to buy a 4 weight. I just prefer throwing spinners when that is more effective. And my point was the fact that this regulation is in no way necessary, the upper Manistee is like the upper Kinni, but with a handful of big fish present as well. I'd rather see it as no kill water with only bait banned, this isn't a harvest issue, it's an equal rites issue. The reg basically gives spin-fishermen the finger while allowing fly fishermen to keep trophies if they choose. BS if you ask me


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#22 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2016 6:07:54 AM(UTC)
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AKinMN wrote:
The grip-n-grin hero shot, that's what really needs to be examined.



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That would be the day...tough sell in the "Look at me" generation though.
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EddieRivard  
#23 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2016 7:14:33 AM(UTC)
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B-Mac wrote:
AKinMN wrote:
The grip-n-grin hero shot, that's what really needs to be examined.

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That would be the day...tough sell in the "Look at me" generation though.


People have to look somewhere. Might as well be at something that is totally awesome. I've taken plenty of photos with fish and released them while they were still quite lively. The biggest factor I have noticed as far as mortality goes is when the fishes gills get damaged and they are bleeding all over the place. Shit happens.
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I had a decent "Hero Shot" yesterday as a matter of fact. Here is a link to that post.

Sunday 4/10/16

Edited by user Monday, April 11, 2016 7:16:37 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

AKinMN  
#24 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2016 7:52:04 AM(UTC)
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EddieRivard wrote:
B-Mac wrote:
AKinMN wrote:
The grip-n-grin hero shot, that's what really needs to be examined.

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That would be the day...tough sell in the "Look at me" generation though.


People have to look somewhere. Might as well be at something that is totally awesome. I've taken plenty of photos with fish and released them while they were still quite lively. The biggest factor I have noticed as far as mortality goes is when the fishes gills get damaged and they are bleeding all over the place. Shit happens.
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I had a decent "Hero Shot" yesterday as a matter of fact. Here is a link to that post.

Sunday 4/10/16


There are studies that show keeping a fish out of water for even just 30 seconds after fighting and landing a fish can have some pretty negative effects after the release. It's not that they necessarily go belly. With a search of the interwebs they can be easily found.

That said, I was refering more to the egregious acts like the Montana Wild bozos for their bulltrout film. Not only were they fishing illegially, in one instance they caught a bulltrout, netted it, and released it with the fly still in its mouth two more times. They played the fish for almost half an hour, all in the name of a good shot for their film. Even Larry Dahlberg was ticketed in BC years ago doing the same thing with a steelhead. He landed it three times and let it go still hooked to get some shots. I'm sure that happens all the time with the proliferation of fish porn, blogs, and social media out there these days.

With all that said, I spent the first 15-20 minutes at work today watching the day's newest fish videos and perusing the blogs. Where there's demand there's a market.

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FryinPanDan  
#25 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2016 12:26:20 PM(UTC)
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A trout only needs to be lifted out of the water for a moment for a photo. You can get the camera/phone ready while keeping the fish under water in this thing called a "net".

Edited by user Monday, April 11, 2016 12:32:08 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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donjuan  
#26 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2016 2:12:02 PM(UTC)
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AKinMN wrote:

There are studies that show keeping a fish out of water for even just 30 seconds after fighting and landing a fish can have some pretty negative effects after the release.


Possibly, but the amount of research in this area is quite sparse. I'm not going to pretend air exposure has no effect on fish...obviously prolonged air exposure would result in mortality (dose-response relationship expected to be species specific). What I do not agree with is when anyone singles out one aspect of fishing as the "main cause" of mortality in C & R angling, such as: "Cameras kill fish!" or "Worms kill fish!"

This "holier-than-thou" approach is ridiculous and unfounded. The fact that someone takes photos of them holding a fish doesn't provide any insight into how the fish was hooked, how long it took to land, how it was handled, how long it was out of the water, etc., in addition to non-modifiable factors such as air/water temperature. If you are a participant in fishing, of any kind, you are participating in an activity that undoubtedly could result in fish mortality. If you want to be 100% certain that you won't kill any fish...then don't go fishing.



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Edited by user Monday, April 11, 2016 2:12:39 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

s.t.fanatic  
#27 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 6:25:51 AM(UTC)
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donjuan wrote:
AKinMN wrote:

There are studies that show keeping a fish out of water for even just 30 seconds after fighting and landing a fish can have some pretty negative effects after the release.


Possibly, but the amount of research in this area is quite sparse. I'm not going to pretend air exposure has no effect on fish...obviously prolonged air exposure would result in mortality (dose-response relationship expected to be species specific). What I do not agree with is when anyone singles out one aspect of fishing as the "main cause" of mortality in C & R angling, such as: "Cameras kill fish!" or "Worms kill fish!"

This "holier-than-thou" approach is ridiculous and unfounded. The fact that someone takes photos of them holding a fish doesn't provide any insight into how the fish was hooked, how long it took to land, how it was handled, how long it was out of the water, etc., in addition to non-modifiable factors such as air/water temperature. If you are a participant in fishing, of any kind, you are participating in an activity that undoubtedly could result in fish mortality. If you want to be 100% certain that you won't kill any fish...then don't go fishing.



Nice fish Eddie! ThumpUp



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FryinPanDan  
#28 Posted : Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:12:33 AM(UTC)
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One more thing...

I had recently discovered that my newer Android phone has a feature for the camera app that allows you to shoot a picture with your voice by saying "shoot". Easier and quicker than trying to awkwardly hold a phone while touching the screen with the same hand (if you're fishing alone). In my case the feature was not available by default and needed to be turned on in the settings.

Apparently you can also say "smile" or "cheese", but I already talk a bit too much to animals on the creek. "Shoot" is just fine for me.
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Guillermo  
#29 Posted : Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:25:08 PM(UTC)
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http://dnr.wi.gov/About/WCC/springhearing.html

Question 14 was 1,758 yes, 1,754 no. Question 13 seems like a complete no-brainer to me and had overwhelming support with all 72 counties voting in favor. How a biased governor who has no knowledge of natural resources at all was allowed to choose the DNR Secretary is mind blowing.
FryinPanDan  
#30 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2016 7:03:24 AM(UTC)
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Have the posted the resolution results? I don't know if those were the same for every county, but we had some interesting ones in Sauk.
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