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OTC_MN  
#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 2:23:37 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shebs Go to Quoted Post
So excuse my spin fisher ignorance if this is a stupid question, but what's the difference between a streamer and a soft hackle wet fly? Seems awfully similar to my admittedly untrained eye.


Size mainly - and the absence of a wing. Soft hackles are usually size 12 to 18 or so, so fairly small compared to streamers. They are also fished differently as they're swing across and down stream (although you can do that with streamers too obviously).

A purist version of a soft hackle has three materials - silk thread which is used for both the tying thread and body, some kind of thorax material, either dubbing or peacock herl, and the hackle, which is usually partridge or starling.

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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 3:14:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: OTC_MN Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: shebs Go to Quoted Post
So excuse my spin fisher ignorance if this is a stupid question, but what's the difference between a streamer and a soft hackle wet fly? Seems awfully similar to my admittedly untrained eye.


Size mainly - and the absence of a wing. Soft hackles are usually size 12 to 18 or so, so fairly small compared to streamers. They are also fished differently as they're swing across and down stream (although you can do that with streamers too obviously).

A purist version of a soft hackle has three materials - silk thread which is used for both the tying thread and body, some kind of thorax material, either dubbing or peacock herl, and the hackle, which is usually partridge or starling.




Streamers are also supposed to be more of minnow/crayfish imitation while soft hackle tend to be more nymph/young bugs.

I fish them both up stream and drifting...seems to work. I think when I read through these threads I've realized I'm kind of a lazy fly fisherman, haha. :)
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 7:38:43 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the input guys!

Heading to the fly shop tomorrow to pick up supplies for a weekend on the tying bench. I love that burnt orange color thread. Gotta find some of that too.

I'm a horrible top water dry fly fisherman and I do very little of it. So swinging these soft hackle patterns could be a nice transition from the streamers and nymphs I usually stick with. I've talked to several highly experienced fly fishermen recently and they said soft hackles should definitely be in my fly box. Plus, for a small fly they seem relatively easy to tie, which is good for my fat fingers and weak eyes.


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William Schlafer  
#14 Posted : Tuesday, January 30, 2018 9:29:41 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shebs Go to Quoted Post
So excuse my spin fisher ignorance if this is a stupid question, but what's the difference between a streamer and a soft hackle wet fly? Seems awfully similar to my admittedly untrained eye.


Here's a version of a streamer built with soft hackle.

I might give this one a try too.


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#15 Posted : Wednesday, January 31, 2018 3:12:29 AM(UTC)
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Shebs, others have answered your question before I got back to the forum. Sorry to be slow!

OTC_MN, those look great! Thanks for the pictures, ideas, and hints. I've been using Pearsalls in olive and yellow, and a Japanese silk for orange. I'll get some jasper.

Bill, the soft hackle wingless wets are pretty easy and even fun to tie. I'm totally going down the rabbit hole. Loving every minute of it. Don't be afraid to fish them upstream, too.
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 31, 2018 6:43:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shebs Go to Quoted Post
So excuse my spin fisher ignorance if this is a stupid question, but what's the difference between a streamer and a soft hackle wet fly? Seems awfully similar to my admittedly untrained eye.


I don't fish a lot of soft hackle, but I see the difference between them and streamers as how they are fished. Soft hackles are fished more on the swing (cast upstream, keep the line tight as it swings below you, give it a twitch or two at the end of the cast), whereas streamers are stripped as soon as they hit the water. You can swing a streamer, but I have always found the best action when they are constantly on the move. My $.02.
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moosekid  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:48:41 PM(UTC)
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If you guys are getting into soft hackles and wets -- this blog has some excellent info.

http://smallstreamreflections.blogspot.com/

In addition to being a great tier/photographer/writer -- this dude is very knowledgeable about the history of all the patterns and usually gets me excited to try tying new things.

Millions of posts up here, the archives go on for years...
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William Schlafer  
#18 Posted : Thursday, February 1, 2018 2:01:53 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: moosekid Go to Quoted Post
If you guys are getting into soft hackles and wets -- this blog has some excellent info.

http://smallstreamreflections.blogspot.com/

In addition to being a great tier/photographer/writer -- this dude is very knowledgeable about the history of all the patterns and usually gets me excited to try tying new things.

Millions of posts up here, the archives go on for years...



Great link. Thanks!


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#19 Posted : Thursday, February 1, 2018 3:38:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: moosekid Go to Quoted Post
If you guys are getting into soft hackles and wets -- this blog has some excellent info.

http://smallstreamreflections.blogspot.com/

In addition to being a great tier/photographer/writer -- this dude is very knowledgeable about the history of all the patterns and usually gets me excited to try tying new things.

Millions of posts up here, the archives go on for years...


I love reading about the North County flies, and the traditional flies of the British Isles in general.

Bob Williams, "Weiliwen"
OTC_MN  
#20 Posted : Thursday, February 1, 2018 4:13:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: moosekid Go to Quoted Post
If you guys are getting into soft hackles and wets -- this blog has some excellent info.

http://smallstreamreflections.blogspot.com/

In addition to being a great tier/photographer/writer -- this dude is very knowledgeable about the history of all the patterns and usually gets me excited to try tying new things.

Millions of posts up here, the archives go on for years...


Thanks for sharing the link. Looks like some great stuff.
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