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Gurth  
#1 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 6:34:47 PM(UTC)
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Clean Water Rollback


Keep that in mind, "outdoorsmen."
“Harvest eaters... release trophies.” -Gurth
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Colorado to MN  
#2 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 7:13:30 PM(UTC)
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Socialism for the rich, and capitalism for the poor. An insult to actual conservatism which has a noble tradition.
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weiliwen  
#3 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 8:11:55 PM(UTC)
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I am an expert on Chinese history; I have studied it all my life (I'm 60 now).

In the Imperial times, when things got really bad with the government, corruption at a high level, the Emperor spending all his time on wine, women, and song, etc., the civil service would revolt.

In China, the civil service was typically chosen on the bases of education; each civil servant needed to pass extensive exams, which required years of education. So these guys did not, by and large, get their jobs because they were somebody's nephew, etc. Anyway, in times when the government was rotten, these civil servants would quite in droves, hundreds and thousands of them, saying that the Emperor had lost the Mandate of Heaven. Finally, enough would quit that the government was non-functional, and somebody would slip behind the Emperor with a silk cord and strangle the mofo.

The new Emperor would realize that his success (and long life) would depend on keeping the civil service happy, which meant paying more attention to the task at hand. Enough of the civil servants (but by no means all) would return to get the government running once again.

Something similar should happen in the USA, but seldom does. Senators, Congressmen/women, civil servants, etc., should make it impossible for Trump to govern until he starts governing like he is doing it for ALL of the people, and not just the rich.

My $.02, and worth every penny, LOL!
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Gurth  
#4 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 8:31:44 PM(UTC)
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I just can’t believe that we are still in a fight for clean water.

The moron just does whatever comes into his empty head whether it be the environment or foreign policy or whatever.

And the followers eat it up coz he’s what... a change? A disruptor? Sticking it to the libs?

Lake Monona is tainted with Pfos meaning that it is essentially dead to me as a food source for the rest of my life as even if the source ceases today, the water won’t be clean and clear for 10-20 years.

This rollback is not the cause of the Lake Monona situation but it could possibly create more just like it.

So short sighted.

Edited by user Thursday, January 23, 2020 8:34:28 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Colorado to MN  
#5 Posted : Thursday, January 23, 2020 9:12:24 PM(UTC)
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It is shortsighted, but policies like this have been a staple of Republicans for a long time with plenty of Democrat aqcuiessence.

He's just managed to create a visceral reaction towards policy goals which have long existed within the establishment and have lone gone overlooked.

weiliwen  
#6 Posted : Friday, January 24, 2020 4:48:05 PM(UTC)
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You got that right, Colorado to MN: This wouldn't happen if the Democrats more forcefully stated their opposition to these things, starting decades ago. They've acted like beaten dogs ever since Ray-Gun took over. More likely, they're beholden to the same oligarchs that their Republican comrades are.
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William Schlafer  
#7 Posted : Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:51:37 PM(UTC)
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I'm old enough to have seen with my own eyes streams in the Driftless Area that were at one time nothing short of open sewers for human and animal waste, turned into clean, sustainable Trout water. All it took was enough people to care and a little effort.

I would like to think that eventually common sense will prevail and the protections provided by the Clean Water Act will be returned. We cannot continue to treat our water and land like a commodity to be used up for profit.

No one wants to go back to 50 years ago:




-Bill

Edited by user Saturday, January 25, 2020 6:53:15 PM(UTC)  | Reason: added text

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#8 Posted : Sunday, January 26, 2020 9:14:14 PM(UTC)
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In a way I get that someone doesn't want government rules dictating what they do. But if you don't want regulations, don't do things that require regulations to avoid consequences further down the road. Talking about personal responsibility means you can back it up.

Echo that the democrats don't act strongly enough on this, or don't communicate about it very well. This is the kind of thing that they could have a strong conversation in without it turning into the climate change debate, but they can't figure that out.
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#9 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2020 1:29:34 PM(UTC)
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Madguy30, I fully agree about the Democrats' lack of ability to frame their arguments in a way that is more tactical than strategic on this level (I feel that proper tactics will help mold the strategy).


Personal responsibility writ large is libertarianism. It's a political philosophy that's been thoroughly discredited, despite a trending libertarian streak in the GOP and indeed, the country at large. I might be able to depend on my immediate neighbor to take personal responsibility for his actions, at the risk of me getting up into his grill, but on a county, state, or national level? No way has that EVER worked. Or ever will.
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#10 Posted : Monday, January 27, 2020 3:16:04 PM(UTC)
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Minnesota precinct caucuses are coming up fast.
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